Hello,

I believe the attached marriage record (cropped from Volstrup, Dronninglund, Hjorring, 1725-1784, opslag 351,2nd up from the bottom) is for my gggggg-grandparents.

Would somebody please confirm that I'm reading the names correctly? I think the record is for Jens Nielsen and Maren Andersdatter. What do you think?

Also, what is the location named next to Maren's name, please?

Thank you,

Julie Pickett



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There is a house in Hjørring called Hybholthus. It is located between the villages Hybholt and Rønholt in Volstrup parish.

The house is built by Anders Hansen Hjulmand (Hjulmand = wheel-maker) before 1767. Maybe he is Maren's father - Her lastname being Andersdatter. (daughter of Anders)

After Jens Nielsens name it says Slyngborg

Heidi

Hi

Sægygaard

Sæbygård skifteprotokol, 1719-1790. G 30 – 63.

Side 495b, 27. juni 1780
Anne Jensdatter i Hybholthus i Volstrup, gift med Anders Hansen. Børn: Maren Andersdatter gift med Jens Nielsen i Volstrup by, Johanne Andersdatter, gift med Jens Mortensen i stervboet.

Page 495b, 27 June 1780,
Anne Jensdatter in Hybholthus in Volstrup, married to Anders Hansen. Children: Maren Andersdatter, married to:Jens Nielsen Volstrup city, Joanna Anders daughter, married to Jens Mortensen in stervboet.

Side 208a, 6. juni 1767, Anders Hansen Hjulmand, et lidet hus mellem Hybholt og Rønholt i Volstrup kaldet Hybholthus, som han på egen bekostning opbygger.

Page 208A, 6th June 1767, Anders Hansen wheelman, a small house between Hybholt and Rønholt in Volstrup called Hybholthus, which he has paid
Mvh Bent



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Heidi and Bent,

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I really appreciate the help.

Bent, what kind of list is that? I have never seen that kind of information before. It's great!

Thanks again,

Julie



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Thanks to the information provided above, I have found more records for my ancestors.

I found a death record, but would appreciate confirmation that it is saying that Anders Hansen died and that Ane Jensdatter was his wife (widow).

Also, what is the little word after his name? I can read "Hybholt huus," but what is the little word before that?

For quick reference, I have attached a crop of the record from Volstrup, Dronninglund, Hjorring 1725-1784 opslag 480.

Thank you in advance,

Julie
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Anders Hansens Kone i Hybholt Huus Anne
Jens Datter den 23 Martii

Anders Hansen's wife in Hybholt House Anne
Jens daughter the 23rd of March

Helmer Christiansen, 2000 F

Hello Helmer,

Thank you for translating. So, Anne died, not Anders. Big difference!

Thanks again,

Julie

Hi

The fathers dead:
Side 64, 8. jan. 1793,
Anders Hansen i Rønholt i Volstrup, gift med Maren Madsdatter. Børn: Maren Andersdatter gift med Jens Nielsen i Volstrup by, Johanne Andersdatter gift med Jens Mortensen i Dyrheden huse. Lavværge: Mads Nielsen i Hybholt.

Page 64, 8th January 1793,
Anders Hansen in Rønholt in Volstrup, married Mary Madsdatter. Children: Donald's daughter Mary married Jens Nielsen Volstrup city, Johanne Andersdatter married Jens Mortensen in Dyrheden houses. Lavværge: Mads Nielsen Hybholt.

Then he died some time? before this date:8. jan. 1793

Census 1787:
It must be him who is married again!

Hjørring, Dronninglund, Volstrup, Hybholts house, FT-1787, B2979
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Business: Place of birth:
Anders Hansen 70 married Huusmand man and carpenter
Maren Madsdatter 62 Married woman
Magrete Nielsdatter 35 Unmarried Maids

Mvh Bent



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Translating "Volstrup by" by Volstrup city might convey the wrong idea.

Volstrup is rather a village.

Venlig hilsen

Niels Bjøreng

Thanks for all of the info!

Working back from 8 Jan 1793, I found Anders' death record very quickly on 16 Dec 1792 (opslag 471). Unfortunately it is a very simple record with no paternal information. He was 70, so that would make his birth year about 1722. Since the parish records only go back to 1725, I guess I'm done with this family line.

Many thanks to all who helped me figure this out!

Kind regards,

Julie



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I found another record of interest at that great website Bent provided. I used Google translate, but I don't think it is getting it quite right. Would somebody please translate:

312a, 26. maj 1793, hjulmand Niels Sørensen, forhen af Knudseje gods og fri efter ekstra sessionen, Hybholthus i Volstrup, som Anders Hansens enke har afstået. Giver aftægt til enken og ægter hendes datter Margrethe Nielsdatter.

This is what Google translated it to:

Hjulmand (wheelright?) Niels Sorensen, formerly of Knud Tough goods and free after extra session, Hybholthus in Volstrup by Anders Hansen's widow has given up. Provides pensioner to the widow and marries her daughter Margaret Nielsdatter.

Thank you,

Julie

Hi

Regarding Volstrup: (city/village)

Here is an old map over Volstrup made between 1842-1899.

Mvh Bent
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You said:

'Since the parish records only go back to 1725, I guess I'm done with this family line.'

It does get more difficult. If he is named as heir in a searchable probate you can find at least the father. There is also the chance that he was confirmed after 1735 and that the confirmation record actually gives his father's name.

With the father's name you may find him and his wife or widow in the death records. I have also found names and relationships by combing through the guarantors in betrothals or baptismal sponsors. It varies remarkably from pastor to pastor.

mvh
-Ralph

Hi Ralph,

Unfortunately the parish records do not include confirmation records. I have been combing through the website of estates and contracts that Bent provided, but have not found anything conclusive. I will explore probate records, but this is new territory for me.

Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing some of the same patronyms in either baptismal or betrothal records (can't remember which right now). I'll go revisit that. Thanks.

I would appreciate a translation for:

312a, 26. maj 1793, hjulmand Niels Sørensen, forhen af Knudseje gods og fri efter ekstra sessionen, Hybholthus i Volstrup, som Anders Hansens enke har afstået. Giver aftægt til enken og ægter hendes datter Margrethe Nielsdatter.

Thank you,

Julie

312a, 26. maj 1793, hjulmand Niels Sørensen, forhen af Knudseje gods og fri efter ekstra sessionen, Hybholthus i Volstrup, som Anders Hansens enke har afstået. Giver aftægt til enken og ægter hendes datter Margrethe Nielsdatter.

26 May 1793 wheelwright Niels Sørensen, formerly tied to Knudseje manor and no longer under obligation there, (now) at Hybolthus in Volstrup parish which was ceded by Anders Hansens widow. (He) gives a stipend to the widow and is marrying her daughter Margrehe Nielsdatter.

As to how treacherous Google translate is with old verbiage: Donald Duck is known as Anders And, leading to the substitution of Donald for Anders in one of the machine translations above. And Knuds-eje was parced as Knud-seje and rendered Knud tough, not Knud's 'property'.

The detours or tricks I mentioned a few hours ago don't seem to help in this parish record. No confirmations, not even guarantors listed in the early betrothals.

mvh
-Ralph

Thank you, Ralph, for translating. That record fits in with everything else we have discovered about this family line.

I wondered why Anders got translated to Donald - thanks for explaining.

I am going back through the records I found and I think there might be clues in Maren Andersdatter's birth record. I would greatly appreciate a translation. I have attached a crop of the record for quick reference. It is from 1747 Volstrup, Dronninglund, Hjorring, opslag 117.

Also, what exactly is the heading on this page (included in attached image)?

Thank you very much.

Julie Pickett
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Børnenes Nafne ('navne' in modern Danish): Names of the children
Børnedåb og Barselk: Kirkegang: (Date of) Baptism and (date when) maternity woman went to church (for the first time after giving birth)

After giving birth the woman should rest at home (in those days a form of maternity leave from hard work) for 40 days.

Helmer Christiansen, 2000 F

d: 8 Octob: døbt Anders Hansöns
og Ane Jensd: barn af Dÿrheden
N: Maren fadd: Christen Jenss: i Scolstrup
Morten Jenss: og Jacop Christensön
i L. Ostoft Anders Hansöns kone i
Kraglund Jacop Skomagers Kone i Dÿr
needens Huuse Introd d: 5 Nov:

In other words:

8 Ocober baptized Anders Hansen
and Ane Jensdatter's child from Dyrheden
named Maren. Sponsors Christen Jensen in Scolstrup
Morten Jensen and Jacob Christensen
in Little Ostoft, Anders Hansen's wife in
Kraglund, Jacob Skomager's wife in
Dyrneden's Huse ('houses')
Mother introduced 5 November.

mvh
-Ralph

Thank you both very much!

I'm a little confused about "Ander Hansen's wife in Kraglund." Ander Hansen's wife is the mother of the child?? Unless this is a different Ander Hansen, perhaps a relative??

I'm going to follow up with Morten Jensen and Christen Jensen...they could be Ane's siblings. Perhaps Ane was born in Scolstrup or Little Ostoft and not in Volstrup. That means there could be a record of her birth in a different parish. It's worth a look.

Thanks again,

Julie

Hi

Here is a second "Anders Hansen" And the name of his wife.

Sæbygård protocoller:

Nr. 241, 13. februar 1741
Anders Hansen, fjerdepart af Kragelund, som Christen Jensen fradøde.

Anders Hansen took over 1 / 4 of the property (Kragelund) Christen Jensen died.

Side 212, 15. juni 1757
Karen Svendsdatter i Lille Uggerholt i Volstrup, gift med Søren Johansen. Bror Baltzar Svendsen i Kragelund i Volstrup, søsterdatter Maren Christensdatter på Fyn, søstersøn Svend Christensen på Fyn, søstersøn Jens Christensen på Fyn, søstersøn Jens Christensen i Solsbæk, søstersøn Hans Christensen i Ørheden, søsterdatter Magdalene Christensdatter gift med Anders Hansen i Kragelund, og endelig Christen Christensen i Løgtved i Hørby.

Karen Svendsdatter died, and then a list of names of all who would inherit.
Sister's daughter Magdalene Christensdatter married to Anders Hansen in Kragelund


Bent

Thanks, Bent. That solves that mystery. When I have some more time, I will follow up with the Jensens.

Kind regards,

Julie

Hi Julie.
Anders Hansen born ABT 1722 Volstrup Died 16/12 1792 Volstrup
Anna Jensdatter Born 11/11 1725 Volstrup Died 23/03 1780 Volstrup
Marrid 13/11 1746 Volstrup.
Maren Andersen born 8/10 Volstrup Died 21/01 1825 Volstrup
Johanne Andersen Born 24/6 1750 Died 10/12 1818 Volstrup

Volstrup is a parish, lille Ørtoft is a small place, all the oder places is name of farms, Skølstrup,Rønholt,Hybholt,kragelund,Slyngborg osv.

Regards
Tage Bøgh

Hello Tage,

That is wonderful information. I had some of the dates, but not all. Where did you find all of these dates, especially Maren's death date? I cannot find a record of her death in the parish records.

Thank you again for all of the help you have been on this project.

Kind regards,

Julie

Hi

Skifter Sæbygård 1719-1790

Side 65, 9. dec. 1727,
Jens Madsen i [Nørre] Røllen i Volstrup, gift med Karen Pedersdatter.
Børn:
Mads Jensen, gift og bor i Løgtved,
Christen Jensen, overtog hjemmet og var værge for søster Anne Jensdatter, der var i hjemmet.

Skifter Saeby Farm 1719-1790
Page 65, 9th December 1727,
Jens Madsen "died" in [north] Røll in Volstrup, married to Karen Pedersdatter.
Children:
Mads Jensen, married and living in Løgtved,
Christen Jensen, took home and was guardian of sister Anne Jensdatter, (still a child) who was at home.

Death record:
Kirkebogen (church book) Volstrup 1725-1784 opslag 399-400
opslag 399- 30 juni 1726 Jens Madsen (Ryllen) = Røllen ?

Anne Jensdatter died in 1780 at the age of 70th = born 1710
so she is around 16 when the father dies.

This could be the right Anne Jensdatter and her brother Christian, who participate at the baptism of (Maren of Dyrheden)

Mvh Bent

You're right, Bent. That all fits together very nicely. Good puzzling.

Now I'm trying to figure out how this records fits into things (you previously posted this):

Sæbygård protocoller:

Nr. 241, 13. februar 1741
Anders Hansen, fjerdepart af Kragelund, som Christen Jensen fradøde.

Anders Hansen took over 1 / 4 of the property (Kragelund) Christen Jensen died.

I believe this is the other Anders Hansen living in the area (one of Maren's sponsors). I interpret this record to mean that when a certain Christen Jensen died, Anders Hansen took over the property. Could this be 'my' Christen Jensen? I looked in the Volstrup records for a Christen Jensen who died right before 13 Feb 1741, but did not find one (or did not understand his written name). There was one who died in 1742, but that doesn't fit.

Thanks for your help.

Julie

Hi Julie

You wrote:

I'm a little confused about "Ander Hansen's wife in Kraglund." Ander Hansen's wife is the mother of the child?? Unless this is a different Ander Hansen, perhaps a relative??

My comment:
Yes, that's another Anders Hansen, whose wife was one of the sponsors at Marens baptism, and I found them to document their names and so on.
Whether they are in family with "your" Anders Hansen I do not know.

Mvh Bent