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Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: October 18, 2009 07:32PM

Hello,

I'm trying to go further back in my Hansen family tree which has led me to Varmark, Stenderup in the year 1645. Here is what I have been able to find out:

1. Hans Hansen (born 1713). He was also called Hans Hansen Skovbetients (what does that mean??)

2. His father was Hans Hansen (born 1686) & he first married Inger Pedersdatter in June 1710. She died September 1710 & then he married Karen Rasmus Taarning 21.06.1712 in Sonder Stenderup Church.

3. His father was Hans Hansen (born 1645) & married to Inger Madsdatter

4. And I believe HIS father was a Hans Hansen too, but I do not know for sure. I'd like to know more about him, and then his parents, grandparents, and so forth as far back as possible.

ANY help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.

Dan Hansen

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Jette Ejlskov Toftegaard Pedersen (IP Logged)
Date: October 18, 2009 08:55PM

The church record for Sønder Stenderup only goes back to 1656 which makes it difficult to find older information. Skovbetient - means forestkeeper. In Sønder Stenderup parish there is a large area with forrest.

Med venlig hilsen
Jette Ejlskov Toftegaard Pedersen
6091 Bjert
DIS medlem 7167
[www.ejlskov.eu]

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: October 19, 2009 12:00AM

Ah, forest keeper makes sense since I had read somewhere else that he was a forest ranger or something like that.

Stinks that Stenderup only goes back to 1656, but thank you for the info!

Dan

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 19, 2009 01:15AM

Hej.

I have a file - 10 pages - about the "Hans Hansen family" and some other families - also some of my own family. The file are made of three persons (not me) - mailíng to each-other in different colours - discoussing the subject - how did members of the to families knew each-other in the 1700th?.

Hans Hansen Family goes back to Hans Hansen, born 1645, married Inger Hansdatter - and their descendants to about late 1700.

I will later try to translate some of the file - perhaps I will send something in 2-3 days.

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: October 19, 2009 02:58AM

Thorbjorn,

That would be awesome! I had found a website a few months ago that must have been put together by a distant relative (though I could never find out who) which talks about Hermann Willer, mayor of Middelfart. I think his daughter married one of the Hans Hansens. Ah, I found the site:

[cc.bingj.com]

Hopefully what you have can add to this, which was an unbelievable find.

Thanks so much for your help. I look forward to hearing back from ya!

Dan

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 19, 2009 12:04PM

Hej.

I will try - step for step - it seems to be the easest way for me - my english are from 60-70 years old school-days - and only used a little later.

Hans Hansen, born 1713 was married three times:

1) Stenderup 22 jun 1734 - Anna Elisabeth Pedersdatter

2) Middelfart 16 feb 1747 - Dorthe Pedersdatter

3) Stenderup 29 jun 1759 - Maria Pedersdatter Wildfang (who was step-daughter of his father!)

Children - all born in Stenderup - or Varmark, Stenderup:

a) - 01 apr 1735 - Inger Cathrine Hansdatter
b) - marts 1736 - Inger Katrine Hansd.
c) - 08 apr 1738 - Hans Hansen
d) - 19 mar 1740 - Margarete Elisabeth Hansd,
e) - 07 mar 1742 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen
f) - Marts 1743 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen
g) - Dec 1747 - Karen Hansd.
h) - 12 dec 1748 - Peder Hansen
i) - 25 jan 1750 - Anna Elisabeth Hansd.
j) - 07 jun 1751 - Anna Katrine Hansd.
k) - 07 jun 1751 - Kathrina Lucia Hansd.
l) - 26 sep 1757 - Hermann Willer Hansen

o-o-o

Wife nr 2:

Dorthe Pedersdatter - born Middelfart 1719 - bapt. 23 jul - Peder Sørensens daughter Dorthe. Witness: Dorthe Lauridsd., rådmand Søren Pedersens h. hold the child. Borgmester Herman Willer, Peiter Matzen Bager, Hans Pedersen Juul, Cathrine
Pedersdatter,Jørgen Lauritzens kierste, Billeskov, Anne Pedersdatter, Johan Gosmans hustru.

(rådmand=alderman - borgmester=lord mayor - bager=baker - kierste=wife (for the "fine" persons) - hustru=wife (for "ordinary")

Dorthe´s mother: Catharina Lucia Hermansdatter Willer - daughter of borgmester Herman Willer - it was the mothers first child.

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 19, 2009 04:59PM

Hej.

Hans Hansen (senior - born 1713) was married 3) to Marie Pedersdatter.

She came from "Wildfang" - a place (estate?) 3-4 miles north-east of the city Haderslev - but I can't find the name of the parish.

Marie Pedersdatter was married 1) to Jep Windfeldt - and they got a daughter Cathrine Windfeldt.

And this daughter was married 1766, Stenderup to Hans Hansen junior, born 1738.

So - Hans Hansen jun. married his fathers step-daughter.

Thorbjørn

PS - "Wildfang" or Vildfang - is in Aastrup (Åstrup) Sogn/Parish in Haderslev Herred, Haderslev Amt.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/19/2009 11:18PM by Thorbjørn Bertelsen.

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 19, 2009 11:09PM

Hej.

There is a book about Stenderup Sogn/Parish - "Hjemstavnsbog, Stenderup Sogns Historie". I hav'nt seen the book - so I do'nt know anything about it. But here you have the titel. According to my "wordbook" - "hjemstavn" = native soil, home - and "bog" = book.

In the book are sognerådsformand (chairman of the parish counsil) F.L.Hansen telling about the farm "Stenderupgaard", where the "Hans Hansen-family" were living.

In the mentioned file there is a few words from the book.

In 1523 the king sold the farm to Jens Hugger - and his family were owner the next 100 year - then a new family was owner in 100 year - and from 1730th several owners.

Hans Hansen senior was the last of them - and he had later given the farm to the son Hans Hansen junior.

In the book are a copy of an agreement from 1771 between his sons Hans and Peter. An agreement about "Aalegaardsrettigheder" to the farm Stenderupgaard.

Aalegaardsrettighed - how to explain?

Aal = eel - gaard = farm - rettighed = privilege. It is about the farm's right to catch eel from the seashore near the farm.

In danish - the agreement:

"Da jeg,Hans Hansen senior ved Stenderup Strand mit øjemed der hen haver rettet at skifte imellem mine 2de sønner, nemlig Hans Hansen junior i Stenderup og kgl. Skovfoged Peter Hansen sammesteds angaaende 2 aal-gaarde udi stranden "Bøggerhovit" og "Lorbeck", kaldet et broderligt forlig, saa er dette imellem dennem paa efterfølgende maade fuldbyrdet:
1. Siden bemeldte 2de aalegaards-steder forhen haver hørt til den nu mig Hans Hansen jun. tilhørende ejendomsgaard, og fra samme deres oprindelse tager, saa bevilliger jeg Hans Hansen jun til min yngste broder, fornævnte kgl Skovfoged Peter Hansen, ovenbemeldte 2de aalgaard-steder, at hand saa længe hand lever, og i min faders sted som skovfoged bebor, maa beholde og sig benytte ...
Actum Stenderup, den 26 Februar 1771
Hans Hansen jun. Hans Hansen Peder Hansen"


I will try to explain:

Hans Hansen senior and the two sons are living at the farm. Hans junior had earlier got the farm from the father - and Peter was skovfoged (= forest ranger) instead of the father - and Peter was "kgl skovfoged" (kgl = royal) - he was nominated forest ranger of the king.

The two sons made in 1771 an agreement about "aalegaardsrettigheden" - now it belongs to Peter instead of Hans jun.

The names of the two "eel-farms" are "Bøggerhovit" and "Lorbeck" - but I can't find the places at my maps.

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: October 20, 2009 03:12AM

Thorbjorn!

This is fantastic. Thank you, thank you, thank you! And your English is very good!

FYI (for your information) the way my family line goes is:
Hans Hansen (1645)
Hans Hansen (1686)
Hans Hansen (1713 - Hans Sr.)
Hermann Willer Hansen (1757)
Rasmus Hansen (1787 from Bastrup, Vamdrup)
Hermann Willer Hansen (1840 - he came to the United States)
Herman W. Hansen (St. Louis, Missouri- USA)
Herman Willa Hansen (St. Louis)
Elmer F. Hansen (born St. Louis, then to Pennsylvania)
Robert Hansen (born 1943 in Philadelphia)
ME! (born 1967 in New Jersey)

Do you have any ideas on how I can find out more information about Hans Hansen who was born in 1645? I do not know if he was from Stenderup or somewhere else.

Thank you once again, Thorbjorn!

Dan Hansen

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 20, 2009 01:25PM

Hej.

Vonsild Parish - is neighbour-parish to Sønder Stenderup (Southern Stenderup).

The churchbook for Vonsild 1659-1708 contents a lot of "orbitaries" - some of very long. Some of the churchbook was 1982 made as a book - especially the orbitaries. They are in the book written in the language, used in the churchbook - and to day it is a strange language. I have the book.

In 1705 there are an orbitary for Anders Paulsen, born in 1634. It is very long - nearly 5 pages!! I can't give you hole the text! But a little about his marriage - and only in the language, used to day - and shorten.

Year 55 (it is 1655), when he was 21 year, his father asked him to find a wife. The son obey - and asked Hans Hansen at Warmarch about his daughter Maren Hansdatter, who was 14 year old. Hans Hansen said yes - and their wedding was held in Wonsild 14 juni.

The girl from Warmarch was born about 1640 - so she must be a sister to Hans Hansen, born about 1645.

There must be an Hans Hansen more in the family - before Hans Hansen senior!!

o-o-o

I will ask my library if they can find the book mentioned earlier - "Hjemstavnsbog, Stenderup Sogns Historie".

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 20, 2009 04:13PM

Hej.

More from the file.

Hans Hansen sen., born 1686, was married Sdr Steenstrup 1712 with Karen Rasmusdatter Taarning.

She was born about 1695 in Kjellerup, Sønder Bjert (Nørre Tyrstrup, Haderslev or Vejle), daughter of Rasmus Nissen Taarning and Johanne Jensdatter. Karen died 29 apr 1737, Varmark, Stenderup.

Hans Hansen was married 1) in 1710 with Inger Pedersdatter, but she died 3 months after the wedding - and then he was married in 1712 with the 17-year old girl Karen.

Hans was kongelig (royal) skovfoged - and church-warden and "sognefoged" ( the wordbook: "official performing certain juridical functions in the parish").

Hans died 1765, 79 year old.

o-o-o

Hans Hansen, born 1738 - made in 1771 an agreement with his brother Peter about the farm, mentioned before - and he must have sold hole the farm later.

In 1781 he bought the estate "Laage", 6-7 miles north of the city Vejle - and sold the estate again in 1784.

In 1786 he bought the estate "Vinderslevgaard" in Vinderslev Parish (Lysgaard Herred, Viborg Amt), north of the city Silkeborg.

Here he is in the census 1787 - Hans Hansen, 51 year - Elisabeth Hansen, born Windfeld, 39 year - children: Catharine 19 - Abelone 13 - Bartram 9 + a lot of people.

Hans sold the estate to his son-in-law Søren Christian Glud - married to Catharine, in census 1801/Vinderslev called Marie Cathrine.

Hans moved to Ringkøbing - a city in west-jylland. Here he lives in census 1801 in "Øster Strandgade 65", perhaps a house, 65 year with his wife - and 3 people to serve them.

I hav'nt looked after their death.

o-o-o

One of my ancestors are Iver Bertelsen, born 1738 in Seest. He moved around in Jylland. He was in Vinderslev in some years about 1790. In 1793 he got a loan from Hans Hansen, so he could buy a little farm in Skræ, Thorning Parish (also Lysgaard).

Iver must have known Hans before - but the loan in Vinderslev was the direct reason to make the file, I have used.

Thorbjørn



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2009 07:21PM by Thorbjørn Bertelsen.

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: October 23, 2009 01:16AM

Thorbjorn,

Thank you so much once again. This is wonderful!!

Dan Hansen

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 23, 2009 12:23PM

Hej.

I mentioned earlier a book "Hjemstavnsbog, Sdr Stenderups Historie".

My library found the book - ordered it - and I will get it in about one or two weeks.

I will come back - perhaps there is something more to tell you.

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: October 26, 2009 01:01AM

Thorbjørn Bertelsen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hej.
>
> I mentioned earlier a book "Hjemstavnsbog, Sdr
> Stenderups Historie".
>
> My library found the book - ordered it - and I
> will get it in about one or two weeks.
>
> I will come back - perhaps there is something more
> to tell you.
>
> Thorbjørn

Cool - thank you, Thorbjorn. You have been so helpful!

Dan Hansen

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: October 31, 2009 11:54PM

Hej.

I have got the book "F.L.Hansen - Hjemstavnsbog (vedr Stenderup Sogn) - edition 1935 - reprint 1982 - 250 pages".

Stenderupgaard:

Text - about 12-14 pages - from about 1525/30 until about 1800.

The "Hans Hansen-family" only in the farm in 40-50 years in the middle of the 1700th.

The mentioned agreement 1771 between the father and the two sons - the hole text is in the book, 1 page.

None new informations.

Varmarkgaard:

Text 1 page - from middle 1700th.

Nothing about the "Hansen-family".

Book - the rest:

I can't find anything about the Hansen's.

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: November 06, 2009 03:55AM

Thank you so much Thorbjorn for all the time you have put into this. I really, really appreciate it.

Thank you & God bless!

Dan Hansen

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: November 08, 2009 02:07PM

Thorbjørn Bertelsen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> The girl from Warmarch was born about 1640 - so
> she must be a sister to Hans Hansen, born about
> 1645.
>
> There must be an Hans Hansen more in the family -
> before Hans Hansen senior!!
>
> o-o-o

Hi Thorbjorn,

Is Warmarch the same as Varmark?

Dan

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: November 08, 2009 02:13PM

Hej.

Yes - Warmarch = Varmark.

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: December 07, 2009 08:53PM

Thorbjørn Bertelsen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hej.
>
> I will try - step for step - it seems to be the
> easest way for me - my english are from 60-70
> years old school-days - and only used a little
> later.
>
> Hans Hansen, born 1713 was married three times:
>
> 1) Stenderup 22 jun 1734 - Anna Elisabeth
> Pedersdatter
>
> 2) Middelfart 16 feb 1747 - Dorthe Pedersdatter
>
> 3) Stenderup 29 jun 1759 - Maria Pedersdatter
> Wildfang (who was step-daughter of his father!)
>
> Children - all born in Stenderup - or Varmark,
> Stenderup:
>
> a) - 01 apr 1735 - Inger Cathrine Hansdatter
> b) - marts 1736 - Inger Katrine Hansd.
> c) - 08 apr 1738 - Hans Hansen
> d) - 19 mar 1740 - Margarete Elisabeth Hansd,
> e) - 07 mar 1742 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen
> f) - Marts 1743 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen
> g) - Dec 1747 - Karen Hansd.
> h) - 12 dec 1748 - Peder Hansen
> i) - 25 jan 1750 - Anna Elisabeth Hansd.
> j) - 07 jun 1751 - Anna Katrine Hansd.
> k) - 07 jun 1751 - Kathrina Lucia Hansd.
> l) - 26 sep 1757 - Hermann Willer Hansen
>

Hej Thorbjørn!

Above you have e) 07 mar 1742 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen and f) Marts 1743 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen. Were there 2 boys named Bartram and one born 1 year after the other?

And are you on geni.com?? I have our entire family tree on there and since we are related we can link our trees - it is incredible!!

Dan

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: December 07, 2009 09:11PM

This question is for anyone that can help.

I know the records for Varmark Stenderup only go back to the mid-1600s, but I am trying to add more to my family tree. Here is where my Hansen line ends:

Hans Hansen (born 15/1600s????; his parents??? death??? brothers or sisters??? his grandparents?? He is the one who I am looking for information on.

-He had a daughter named Maren Hansdatter (b. 23.April, 1641 - do not know when she died) and Maren married Anders Paulsen (b. 3 Oct. 1634 & died in 1705 - thank you for that, Thorbjorn my friend & relative!).
-He also had a son named Hans Hansen who was born in 1645 in Warmark Sdr.Stenderup

Does anyone have any thoughts?

THank you all!!

Dan Hansen
Hans Hansen's 8th great grandson

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: December 08, 2009 11:28AM

Hej.

I have seen your question - and will answer in a few days.

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: December 08, 2009 05:23PM

Hej.

A beginning - I will add some remarks:

Hans Hansen, born 1713 was married three times:

1) Stenderup 22 jun 1734 - Anna Elisabeth Pedersdatter
Wedding AO 47, nr 2 - AEP buried AO 16, nr 2 - 17 marts 1745, 32 år

2) Middelfart 16 feb 1747 - Dorthe Pedersdatter
I could'nt find her burial

3) Stenderup 29 jun 1759 - Maria Pedersdatter Wildfang (who was step-daughter of his father!)
Wedding AO 53, nr 3 - "Huus Copulation"= "wedding in the house"

Children - all born in Stenderup - or Varmark, Stenderup:

a) - 01 apr 1735 - Inger Cathrine Hansdatter
Born AO 7 - died AO 7, nr 7, 10 april 1735, 14 days
b) - marts 1736 - Inger Katrine Hansd.
Born AO 8, 19 marts - died AO 14, nr 19, 24 aug 1742, 6 year, 9 mth
c) - 08 apr 1738 - Hans Hansen
Born AO 9 - konfirmation AO 44, 1755, Hans, Hans Hansens son
d) - 19 mar 1740 - Margarete Elisabeth Hansd,
Born AO 11 - konf. AO 44/45?, 1758 - Elsabe Marie, Hans Skovfogeds daughter
e) - 07 mar 1742 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen
Born AO 13 - died AO 13, nr 6, 21 marts 1742
f) - Marts 1743 - Bartram Henrichsen Hansen
Born AO 14 - died AO 29, nr 13, 27 juli 1755, 12 year, 4 mth, 20 days *)
g) - Dec 1747 - Karen Hansd.
Born AO 19 - konf. AO 45 - 1762, Karen, skovfoged Hans Hansens daughter
h) - 12 dec 1748 - Peder Hansen
Born AO 20 - I will look later after konf.
i) - 25 jan 1750 - Anna Elisabeth Hansd.
Born AO 22 - died AO 29, nr 15, 15 aug 1755, 5 year, 6 mth *)
j) - 07 jun 1751 - Anna Katrine Hansd.
Born AO 24 - died AO 24, nr 18, 19 sep 1751, 14 weeks
k) - 07 jun 1751 - Kathrina Lucia Hansd.
Born AO 24 - died AO 26, nr 10, 31 maj 1753, 2 year, less 11 weeks *)
l) - 26 sep 1757 - Hermann Willer Hansen
Born AO 33 - I will look later after konf.

*) - remarks in the book: "Begravet i kirken - Kirkens Lys" = "buried in the church - candle in the church". Burial in church and candle is paid ekstra.

Death-date = date for the burial.

(Konf of Peder and Hermann - in the next book.)

Thorbjørn



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/08/2009 09:57PM by Thorbjørn Bertelsen.

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: December 09, 2009 01:06AM

Hej.

Just a little more about konfirmation - in the next book:

AO 120 - 1765, Peder Hansen, 16 year, 5 month
AO 128 - 1773, Hermann Willer Hansen, 16 year less 1 month

- and a step-daughter:

AO 120 - 1765, Catharina, daughter of Jep Wildfang, 15 year, 5 month

Thorbjørn

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: December 10, 2009 12:44PM

Hej.

No - I have not my family on geni.com.

Here more about your family:

Anders Paulsen:

His wedding with Maren Hansdatter about 1655 - their wedding seems not to be in AO.

His burial is in Vonsild (Nørre Tyrstrup Herred - Vejle Amt) AO 67, 5 marts 1705 - and here start his obituary - and it goes on to AO 75 - so it is LONG. (If you want - I can send you a scanning from the mentioned book from 1982 with the text in danish.)

Maren's burial must be in the next book 1708-1726 - but the book seems to be missing.

In the book 1609-1708 you can find a list with the persons, living in the parish. Look at AO 12-13 - here is Anders Poulsen with his wife ("uxor" in latin) and the 10 children.

And now from Sønder Stenderup churchbook:

Hans Hansen - born 1738.

He must be the same as "Hans Hansen, born 1745" - in old days priest and other persons count very bad.

His wedding with the step-sister is on AO 223, 20 juni 1766 - Hans Hansen jun. and Catharina, daughter of Jep Wildfang and Maria Wildfang. The text is in german language (as in rest of the book) - and ends: "ohne Verlobnis zufolge Kønigl. Consession d.5. April im Hause" = "without betrothal according to royal consession d.5. april in the house".

As mentioned earlier they moved to the estate Laage near Vejle - then to Vinderslevgaard - and then to Ringkøbing, where they were in census 1801. I have not found their burial yet.

The "old" Hans Hansen:

On AO 234 - dead 17 marts - buried 24 marts 1765 you can find "Hans Hansen der Alter" (german text) = "Hans Hansen the elder" - 79 year.

Thorbjørn



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Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: December 10, 2009 01:30PM

Thank you AGAIN, Thorbjorn! You are incredible!

Yes, if you can scan and send me the obituary I would be most grateful. My email address is tamahansen@yahoo.com.

I have to run to work, but will be back in touch. Thank you again, my friend!

Dan

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: December 10, 2009 04:33PM

Hej.

From Stenderup churchbook:

AO 54 - 1762, wedding nr 10 - Claus Ansheisen(?) Wüff fra/from Warmarch og Karen Hansdatter fra Stenderup Strand(=beach) d. 5. Novembris(?).

- and their first child:

AO 10 - 1764, born 17 marts - bapt 17 marts - Ancher, hüfner(farmer) auf(from) ? Claus Wiuff and Karen, geboren(born) Hansen, ehelische Sohn (matrimonial son).

And from Skanderup (Anst Herred, Ribe Amt):

AO 59 - 1748, 26 juni - Poul Buch af Nagb.(Nagbøl) en datter Else. Faddere (wittnes): Præstens kone (the priests wife), Mads Buchs kone, Mads Buch, Christen Hartvigsen, Nils Jens.(Jensen).

In the margin. "Intr. 11 aug" - it means: the wifes introduktion in the church after birth - the wives were "unclean" in the first 6 weeks after birth.

AO 192 - 1771, 6 dec - Peder Hansen, skovfoged fra Stenderup Strand og Else Povelsdatter Buch af Nagbølle. Forlovere (best man): Povel Lauridsen Buch og Hans Hansen fra Stenderup Strand.

An remark to the wedding says: "Disse 2.de havde Kongebrev" - those two had a "King-letter" - a concession about the wedding - but why? - I will try to find it.

(Mads Lauridsen Buch (Poul's brother) was married to Kirsten Marcusdatter. Her sister Maren Marcusdatter was married to Bertel Hansen, living in the neighbour-parish Seest - and they are my ancestors.)

o-o-o

Have I answered your questions??

Thorbjørn



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Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Dan Hansen (IP Logged)
Date: December 11, 2009 11:20PM

Hej Thorbjørn,

1. Do you know what "without betrothal according to royal consession..." means?

2. Is this Else's birthday & did all these people witness the birth? "AO 59 - 1748, 26 juni - Poul Buch af Nagb.(Nagbøl) en datter Else. Faddere (wittnes): Præstens kone (the priests wife), Mads Buchs kone, Mads Buch, Christen Hartvigsen, Nils Jens.(Jensen)."

3. What does this mean? ""Intr. 11 aug" - it means: the wifes introduktion in the church after birth - the wives were "unclean"(?) in the first 6 weeks after birth."

Tak.

Re: Hansens from Varmark, Stenderup
Posted by: Thorbjørn Bertelsen (IP Logged)
Date: December 12, 2009 12:33AM

Hej.

1. Royal consession:

It was forbidden to marry sisters and brothers.

Marriage in the next link - cousins - and the next link again - "cousins cousin" (or what it is calld) - was also forbidden - but the king could give his permission.

The kings permission was also necessary if the couple want to be married without betrothal/engagement - or want to be married in a privat home.

And the kings permission was also necessary in some other connections. F.ex. if a widover want to marry the late wifes sister. Or a couple want to abolish a betrothal.

At that time the betrothal was the legal act - not the marriage. It was "only" a celebration.

2.Else's baptisme.

Yes - you found the right place in the book - but the date is for the ceremony in the church. In those days the priest seldom mentioned the birthday. There was normally 4-6 witness.

Baptism should be hold within 8 days after birth - a rule from 1539 or 1643 - in 1828 it was 8 weeks.

An un-baptist child was dis-inherited.

3. Introduktion:

In the bibel - 3.Mosebog, kapitel 12 = third Pentateuch, chapter 12, according to my wordbook - are written, that the mothers was "unclean" in 6 weeks after a birth. After 6 weeks they were "introduced" in the church by a speciel ceremony.

Unmarried women were not introduced - but they had to "confess in public" in the church.

The rule was working until 1754.

nr 1-3 - according to my book about genealogy - and my own knowlegde.

Thorbjørn



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2009 12:53AM by Thorbjørn Bertelsen.



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